LIFE TWO. 

I AM AWARE THAT ALL MY LIFE WAS A BAD DREAM THAT DID NOT HAPPEN EVEN THE GOOD DREAM IS UNTRUE...LATER IN LIFE AT 77 I CONTRACTED BOWEL CANCER HAD AND OPERATION TO REMOVE A TUMOUR AND THIS WAS STILL BEING CHECKED AT AGE 79..

NIR GUNA OR TRUTH CAN ONLY BE DESCRIBED IN THE NEGATIVE . THERE IS NOTHING TO LEARN . THERE IS NOTHING TO REALISE , JUST DROP THE MIND , THAT DOES NOT EXIST ANYWAY.
NIRGUNA NO MODES .T

After I gave up drinking, as a functional alcoholic..I went through a startling metamorphosis, nobody was more surprised than myself..!!!!!!And my past life with all its characters, pleasures, guilt, innocence and hurts became a dream sequence, almost; Which in fact is nearer the truth, and none of my friends and relatives would recognise this 'new character'. Most people are afraid of the truth in all circumstances, that is why there are so many untruths. My personality was still blunt, irreverent and irreligious though.

I went on the 'spiritual path' and for a while I was sucked in to following a fake guru..who turned out to be a crook and a pedophile, what's new? I was the first to put an exposure of him on the net but they tried to do a character assassination on me. Hacking my computer using my name on posts, posting in my name answering them in my name, to make me look bad so people wouldn't look at the truth of Sathya Sai Baba. Luckily I got into Vedanta at the time and this philosophy saved me from the disillusionment associated with the phoney guru...I still had a doubt about his siddhis though as he could bi-locate and probably could project Prana or Chi,,,,

Saktipat is the power of the Sakti or Self and is present in all times past present and future at the same time...So a Muktas spoken or written word is as powerful , and present now as when it was first spoken or written...T People say a lot of stuff is non comprehensible to many people... That is the reason only to take note of the Muktas or realised people as their words are eternal and carry SAKTIPAT.....That way they penetrate the minds of the ignorant and seekers without confusion...T

"I am trying to tell you ---Give up all this trash, whatever you are studying in the name of religion , in the name of spirituality. Understand only one thing -That godly principle is there..that 'I amness', or consciousness-that is godliest of principles. It is there as long as the vital breath or life force is there."

Nisargadatta .Maharaj.

Glossary of Sanskrit Terms used in this article

Atman=Brahman associated with the individual, Jiva=Individual entity. ADvaita= non dual, dvaita= dual, visishtadvaita=partly non dual.. Ajativada=non creation, Bhakta=Devotee, Brahman=All expansive..Awareness and Consciousness. SaGuna Brahman=Brahman associated with the gunas of manifestation and creation, Mukta, totally absorbed permanently..or realised one, realised moksha.realisation, NirGuna Brahman=Brahman with no gunas and not associated with creation on any kind....inexplicable, Nirvikalpa Samadhi. Meditation beyond the mind. Sat-Cit-Ananda=Being-consciousness-bliss, Pralaya=Dissolution or resolving of the material universe, MahaPralay=Dissolution of the material and subtle universe, Para=Above beyond, Vedanta= The end of the Vedas the teachings of the Upanishads, Turiya=Fourth State or beyond the mind, Sahaj=Beyond the mind meditation, Sakshin-Saguna-witness, Jiva= The individual, Mukti=Unite. Manas=Mind, lower mind. Vasanas=tendencies or subconscious impediments in the mind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sanskrit_words_and_phrases

Free Will and Karma, Memory Karma...WITHIN ILLUSION! by Tony.....(Siva Aham ).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GN45kpiOoY&sns=fb

Karma is actually action so lets not confuse that with 'human memory karma'..

First of all it seems that ‘all’, is actually mind. Energy is mind, Universal is mind, so really apart from so called individual thoughts, all is thought. The projected appearance of Saguna Brahman, or 'God' within illusion.

In the first place all is a dream and an illusion , and we are operating at two levels, relative and absolute. Also there are the constituents of the dream to consider. If we take Einstein and relativity etc, then physically there is no time, beyond the speed of light. (In fact quarks and sub-atomic particles travel back in time. Also the speed of light as a  constant has been disproved in a lab.)

This is Kala or time, and Universal Consciousness is Kala or Time. So Time itself is an illusion and doesn't exist really. It is all a dream of the concept "God". So in this dream everything is really happening at the same time, it is just the play of consciousness that gives the illusion of progression and time. It is like lives, they are like a cartwheel and the lives are the spokes. Consciousness is the hub, and we concentrate consciousness on one spoke at a time, hence lives, but they all happen at once! However because consciousness has become associated with the illusion it has to free itself with free will.

This entails taking responsibility for our actions , as if we were making things happen. It is said that we see our future life before taking birth, so everything that is going to happen has happened or rather is happening. So at birth a veil is drawn over our consciousness, so to speak and then we have to literally, "Act out ", the drama, as if we are making decisions , that effect a really non-existent future.

So in fact when we ponder over a decision and them make it, that was the decision we had already made anyway. There was just the illusion that we were making it, so that we could take responsibility for it and learn. Learn what? Learn that we are part of a dream!

So the illusion of experiencing causes pain etc and eventually the "Consciousness Realises this and wakes up------Liberated". However as Sankara says it is real enough whilst you are in it. This is where karma comes into play for at this level of relativity there is the law of "action and reaction ", that keeps the illusion going so to speak. Until you realise you are the source and the truth, and it is all a dream. "Understand there is no free will for individuals. They are constrained by various limitations. Universal Consciousness alone has total free will. All others are bound in one way or another. Whatever one's efforts ,the ultimate outcome lies beyond one's day to day control. Yes even the decision to work or not to work is determined. So raising ourselves by our own effort was also determined, the effort was the choice of the mind, a choice already having been made. I'm not saying sit down and do nothing, but if one did that would be determined also. The Bhagavad Gita also talks at different levels that's why it is so popular----the different yogas. It is only the body mind complex that receives the karma anyway not the real You. My point again is we have to surrender for we are not the doer, and literally everything is preordained. The only choice we have is to make the mental choice.One should understand that karma literally means action, and that there are different types of karma including memory karma. Now everything happens at once so when we do an action the opposite action is also completed, even though it doesn't manifest until a 'future' life. So our choice is to learn, so if we make the right mental choice then that happened at the same time as the bad choice and nullifies that karma for the future. However there is karma and memory karma. Karma is much like Chaos and consists of action and reaction. Memory karma is where the human entity due to memory and need to learn, puts itself in a certain physical situation. This is a personal karma and is not available to animals as they do not have guilt. However we have to play out our role until Moksha or Realisation cancels all our future karmas.......Tony.

SPIRIT OPPRESSION AND INTEFERENCE IN DREAMS .

Aphorisms ..mostly from Sages and Mukta..by...Tony..... (Siva Aham ). A lot of them are about Moksha or Liberation!

Act like a being, be an organism, and observe it............... Be detached and just see the body like a person, not individual but as in electrons, bosons, mesons etc just a snap of the whole...Tony...Who is the observer???

I really like the old Sufis but then they are not islamic, as a yogi is not hindu, or a mystic christian...they just rent rooms in the house.

The human ego is so conceited that it loves nothing more than to see children growing up and behaving just like them---It is a diversionary projection of attachment, and conditioning the child to have a stronger ego.

Human simians even apply it to other animals...

The ground of human emotion love is love but mostly it is attachment...Love is totally and unequivocally unselfish and sacrificial.

People try and live in the one moment or now of pleasure and expand and prolong this, reinforcing the total illusion.

The Real 'Now' is beyond time and space and is Saguna Brahman 'god' or the Sakti. Many seekers also confuse this now...and think they are living in the Now when they are actually living in a snapshot of their pleasure seeking lives.....

One who will die with his ties of affection for the family he will not be able to understand the gist of this matter the secret of this knowledge.....There is no 'I' .Nisargadatta Maharaj.

The problem with language is that it only reflects the mind.....so words like enlightenment or realisation are just words to describe a non existent event. So there is no word for it. We are already enlightened....we are like ponds with scum on..remove the scum/vasanas of desire mind and the pond reflects the sun...The Guru is actually the Inner Sadguru or Self...the outer Guru is the same Self a Mukta--Guru-Self, working through a different illusory body than yours...One is pulling and the other is pushing so to speak but it is ever the same Sadguru. One's own pond has scum on it but the Guru's doesn't so reflects the sun/Self

The body is an organism that will function its own way we are almost possessors, of it. The built up egoic mind entity occupies the natural body as a tool to enjoy and prolong pleasures and sense stimulation. Most people don't get any more enlightened as they age, they just get older with their bucket of desires still full.

Anything of mind is illusion...Truth cannot be spoken of as it then becomes a concept it can only be apperceived. Even, consciousness-prana, the Self, 'Awareness and Being', are all illusory Saguna....for where are they in NirVikalpa Samadhi?????????Nir Vana, Nir Viklpa, Nir Guna are all ways of decribing neti neti to the fullest......One last point -the human body/mind doesn't create a guru to follow,,that is also a form of body consciousness that some cannot shake off from their speculations.(.IE projecting one's own thoughts and beliefs on to a human guru form).The answer is Ajativada as is my entry on wikipedia.

Only one in a crore, (10million),persons can find out what the birth principle is. And once you know it is everything, all knowledge belongs to you-even liberation is yours.......Nisargadatta .Maharaj....

The birth principle is Turyia.........Turiya is the 'I Am'..It is the witness state...it is Saguna........Tony .

Turiya is the 4th state above waking, dreaming, and deep sleep...above Turiya is Turyiatita or Nirguna...

I have put this  in a note as it is the secret of liberation and it is so simple..........following the teachings of Niz...concentrate on the 'I Am'...excluding all else...develop that feeling that all is one and all is you....Koham -who am I? Soham--I am He!....I Am Siva -Sivoham...To slip iinto the parlance of Ramana Maharshi...one must go into samadhi....NirVikalpa Samadhi as that is Turiyatita....however most cannot hold it due to scum on the pond preventing the relfection of the sun or vasanas. I personally cannot truly hold it for much more than half an hour...or less than an hour anyway...Once one can hold the state permanently it is, to quote Ramana.. No longer Kevala but Sahaja NirVikalpa Samadhi...or realisation, liberation, Moksha, or whatever term you wish to use to grasp it...Moksha is Moha Kyshaya or delusion destroyed...

In order to understand Maharaj...he says one must worship the vital force that prana...that meditation is necessary. Presumably as it is the kinetic side of consciousness and is within our grasp....All this comes from Maharaj and Ramana.....Tony.

-"Verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, I AM." John 8: 58----------Jesus.

Ajativada

Ajativada. Vedantic, not Later Buddhistic which is erroneous mostly. It is not the same thing as the Buddhist Anutpada, which the Buddhist for some reason spuriously present as Ajativada...However Anutpada, or secondary, could equate with the Buddha's unborn...or Saguna Brahaman, in Vedanta.

The Sanskrit term Ajativada is one of several alternately-held creation theories in Advaita Vedanta, meaning "non-creation" (of the world). In the book 'I am that', Nisargadatta Maharaj said only one in Bombay, about ten million people at the time, could really understand what non duality really meant...

Contents   [hide]  1 Etymology 2 Creation theories 3 Usage 3.1 Gaudapada 3.2 Shankara 3.3 Ramana Maharshi 3.4 Nisargadatta Maharaj 3.5 Other traditions 4 Levels of truth 4.1 Ontological levels of Reality 4.2 Levels of Vedanta 4.3 Nirguna Brahman and Saguna Brahman 5 Glossary of Sanskrit Terms used in this article 6 Notes 7 References 7.1 Web-references 8 Sources 9 External link Etymology

• "A" means "not", or "non" as in Ahimsa, non-harm
• "Jāti" means "creation" or "origination^[1]
• "Vāda" means "doctrine"^[1]

Taken together "ajātivāda" means "the Doctrine of no-origination"^[1] or non-creation.

The conceptm "ajāta" was borrowed by Gaudapada from Madhyamika Buddhism^[2][3], which uses the term "anutpāda":^[4]

• "An" also means "not", or "non"
• "Utpāda" means "genesis", "coming forth", "birth"^{[web 1]} Anutpada is not Ajativada as the Buddha subsribes to a 'something'.

Taken together "anutpāda" means "having no origin", "not coming into existence", "not taking effect", "non-production".^{[web 2]}

Contemporary Advaitins translate the concept of Ajativada also with the phrase "nothing ever happened", or "not even the appearanceof creation exists". That is to say, not even the unreality of the world "exists". This is pointed at with the question "Where does the world go in deep sleep, turiya, nirvikalpa samadhi and nirvikalpa sahaja samadhi/meditation?".

[edit]Creation theories

In Advaita, there are three creation theories:^{[web 3]}

1. Srishti-drishti-vada: what is created is being perceived. The universe is held to be created by the Brahman in his capacity as Ishwara. Srishti (creation) is therefore prior to Drishti (perception). A thing has to exist for it to be perceived.^{[web 3]}
2. Drishti-srishti-vada: perception is simultaneous with creation
3. Ajativada: creation is not an absolute real event. It actually never "happened". Ajativada implies that searching for a source of the origin of the world in a Creator is futile.

[edit]Usage

[edit]Gaudapada

"Ajātivāda" is the fundamental philosophical doctrine of Gaudapada.^[1] According to Gaudapada, the Absolute is not subject to birth, change and death. The Absolute is aja, the unborn eternal.^[1] The empirical world of appearances is considered unreal, and notabsolutely existent.^[1]

not ajativada as anutpada falls into the line of thought that Guatama Buddha used to say there is a 'something' whereas ajativada does not subscribe to a something at all as it subscribes to no mind or appearance or anything at all.

But Gaudapada's perspective is quite different from Nagarjuna.^[7] Gaudapada's perspective is based on the Mandukya Upanishad.^[7]In the Mandukya Karika, Gaudapada's commentary on the Mandukya Upanishad, Gaudapada sets forth his perspective. According to Gaudapada, Brahman cannot undergo alteration, so the phenomenal world cannot arise from Brahman. If the world cannot arise, yet is an empirical fact, than the world has to be an unreal^{[note 1]} appearance of Brahman. And if the phenomenal world is an unreal appearance, then there is no real origination or destruction, only apparent origination or destruction. From the level of ultimate truth (paramārthatā) the phenomenal world is Maya.^[7]

As stated in Gaudapada’s Karika Chapter II Verse 48:^{[web 4]}

No jiva ever comes into existence. There exists no cause that can produce it. The supreme truth is that nothing ever is born.^{[web 5]}

[edit]Shankara

Adi Shankara wrote:

On account of constant absorption in Brahman, freed from the sense of reality of external objects, only seemingly enjoying them when offered by others, like a sleepy baby, perceiving the world as that seen in a dream and recognising it only now and then, such a man is indeed rare. He is the enjoyer of the fruits of untold merit and is truly held blessed and revered on earth.^[8]

[edit]Ramana Maharshi

The twentieth-century Sage Ramana Maharshi was an articulate adherent to the concept of Ajativada. On Sri Ramana's view, Ajativada or non-creation is a part of the highest form of consciousness that can be attained. Sri Ramana described three consecutive steps, each of which corresponds to a different understanding of reality:

1. Somebody or some god created the world
2. The world arises simultaneously with our perception of it
3. Ajativada, the view that the world never happened at all.^[9]

Sadhu Om, a chronicler and devotee of Ramana wrote,

At times Sri Ramana Maharshi used to reveal some information which was not given by the scriptures and Puranas such as: how, in the Bhagavad Gita, Sri Krishna began His teachings with the doctrines of Ajata and Advaita, but then condescendingly came down to various stages of Dvaita, and how He carefully used words which, though suited to Arjuna's limited grasping power, also gives room for well-ripened aspirants to discover, even now, the motive behind those words.^{[citation needed]}

[edit]Nisargadatta Maharaj

Main article: Nisargadatta Maharaj

Nisargadatta Maharaj's main teaching was that all was consciousness, and that consciousness was awareness interfaced with manifestation and using energy or prana.^[10]. He distinguished three levels of discenrment:

1. Individuals begin with first believing they are making things happen;
2. Then they realise that things are in fact happening to them;
3. Then finally they realise that nothing is happening at all.^[11]

In the book 'I am that', Nisargadatta Maharaj said only one in Bombay, about ten million people at the time, could really understand what non duality really meant.

[edit]Other traditions

The Buddhist Meditation of vipassana, or observing the rise and fall of created or compounded things and the development of insight, is an indication of the unreality of the so-called 'creation'.^{[citation needed]} Similar teachings can be found withf the Sufis, like Din Attar, Ibn Arabi, Jalala'din Rumi, Al Hussein Ibn Al-Mansour, Hadrat Muinudin Chisti, Al-Hallaj^{[citation needed]}, other Indian saints such as Kabir, Guru Nanak, and Christian mystics such as St John of the Cross, St Theresa de Avila and many more, most of whom were really considered out of the main steam, by their peers.

[edit]Levels of truth

Advaita discerns levels of truth. It is at the level of the highest truth (paramārtha) that there is no origination.^[4

Ontological levels of Reality

Advaita took over from the Madhyamika the idea of levels of reality.^[12] Usually two levels are being mentioned^[13], but Shankara usessublation as the criterion to postulate an ontological hierarchy of three levels:^{[14][web 6]}

• Pāramārthika (paramartha, absolute), the absolute level, "which is absolutely real and into which both other reality levels can be resolved".^{[web 6]} This experience can't be sublated by any other experience.^[14]
• Vyāvahārika (vyavahara), or samvriti-saya^[13] (empirical or pragmatical), "our world of experience, the phenomenal world that we handle every day when we are awake".^{[web 6]} It is the level in which both jiva (living creatures or individual souls) and Iswara are true; here, the material world is also true.
• Prāthibhāsika (pratibhasika, apparent reality, unreality), "reality based on imagination alone".^{[web 6]} It is the level in which appearances are actually false, like the illusion of a snake over a rope, or a dream.

[edit]Levels of Vedanta

Ajativada apllies at the highest level of truth, which is also called "Para-Advaita"^{[citation needed][note 2]}, comprising a fourth level of Vedanta:

1. Dvaita - duality
2. Visishtadvaita - partial duality
3. Advaita - nonduality
4. Para-Advaita - respectively and finally above non-duality.^{[note 3]}

[edit]Nirguna Brahman and Saguna Brahman

Main articles: Nirguna Brahman and Saguna Brahman

Four levels of awareness or truth can be discerned:^{[citation needed]}

1. Small Ego/Ahamkara - 'I am'
2. Big 'I Am' consciousness of Siva/Sakti-Prana
3. Pure Awareness of SaGuna Brahman
4. Ultimate Truth as NirGuna Brahman

According to Y.K. Menon, for Sankara the goal of Advaita Vedanta is knowledge of the non-duality of Atman and Brahman, thereby realising Sat-Cit-Ananda, or Being, Consciousness, Bliss.^{[citation needed]} According to Ramana Maharshi these are actually qualities, and therefore attributes and still within illusion. In other words not Nirguna Brahman^{[note 4]}, but still Saguna Brahman.^{[citation needed][note 5]} According to another interpretation, the realisation of Saguna Brahman and Nirguna is simultaneous, unless the person is a Bhakta/Devotee of some 'God Figure' and a believer in form. On the Pralaya or Dissolution of the Universe, it is Saguna Brahman, or Awareness, that 're-manifests' the universe, and not Nirguna Brahman. This is due to the seeds of manifestation being still present in subtle form or in potentiality, while the material is dissolved in Maha-Pralaya or the Great Dissolution.^{[citation needed]} Absolutely seen, Saguna Brahman is ultimately an illusion that never ever happened, Nirguna Brahman being or the only Truth.

This can be compared in Vedantic Meditation to Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi (temporary realisation) and Sahaja Nirvikalpa Samadhi(permanent Moksha). A person doing Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi is at the temporary stage.

[edit]Glossary of Sanskrit Terms used in this article

• Atman = the individual being, identical with Brahman
• Jiva = Individual being
• Advaita = Non-dual
• Dvaita = dual
• Visishtadvaita = Non-dual with distinction
• Ajativada = non-creation,
• Bhakta = Devotee,
• Brahman = Pure Consciousness.
• Saguna Brahman = Brahman along with Maya, as Creator of the Universe
• Mukta = a free/realised person.
• Nirguna Brahman = Pure Consciousness. Nir=Nil and Guna=modes; so "beyond all mind".
• Nirvikalpa Samadhi = where subject-object division is not there; no mind, no modification.
• Sat-Cit-Ananda = Existence-Consciousness-Limitlessness,
• Pralaya = Dissolution or resolving of the Universe,
• Maha-Pralaya = Dissolution of the material and subtle universe,
• Para = Above/beyond,
• Para-advaita = beyond non duality itself
• Vedanta = The concluding portions of the Vedas, the teachings of the Upanishads,
• Turiya = Fourth State
• Sahaja = natural meditation, permanent state of NirVikalpa Samadhi
• Sakshin = Witness,
• Siva/Sakti = Consciousness/Universal Energy,
• Jiva = The individual,
• Mukti = Freedom, liberation
• Manas = Mind, one of the four faculties of the antahkarana(the other three being buddhi, cittam and ahamkara)
• Vasanas = past impressions of the mind.

[edit]Notes

1. ^ C.q. "transitory"
2. ^ The term is used in Kashmir Shaivism, meaning "the supreme and absolute non-dualism".^{[web 7]}
3. ^ Gaudapada too states that, from the absolute standpoint, not even "non-dual" exists.^[7]
4. ^ "The Absolute without qualities", the ultimate transcendental, indescribable 'Beyond'
5. ^ "The Absolute with qualities", being or 'Consciousness' associated with 'manifestation'

[edit]References

[edit]Web-references

1. ^ Sanskrit Dictionary for Spoken Sanskrit, Utpāda
2. ^ Sanskrit Dictionary for Spoken Sanskrit, Anutpāda
3. ^ ^a b Ajativada – the missing link
4. ^ Dr. Vemuri Ramesam, A Critique Of John Wheeler’s “You Were Never Born”
5. ^ Mandukya Upanishad with Gaudapada's Karika
6. ^ ^a b c d advaita-vision.org, Discrimination
7. ^ Piyaray L. Raina, Kashmir Shaivism versus Vedanta – A Synopsis

[edit]Sources

• Bhattacharya, Vidhushekhara (1943), Gauḍapādakārikā, Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass
• Chatterji, Mohini M. (1973), Viveka-Cudamani, Adyar: Chennai
• Comans, michael (2000), The Method of Early Advaita Vedānta: A Study of Gauḍapāda, Śaṅkara, Sureśvara, and Padmapāda, Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass
• Dikshit, Sudhaker S. (1999), I Am That. Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, Durham, N.C.: Acorn Press
• Godman, David Godman (1986), Be As You Are: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi, London: Arakana, pp. 181–3, 184
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[edit]External links

• Creation theories in Advaita Vedanta
• Swami Atmananda website
• Sri Ramana Maharshi website
• Gaudapada on Mandukya Upanishad
• Nisargadatta Maharaj website
• Sanskrit words and phrases

The lady....tried to leave the body. Due to attachment and belief they are the body most ordinary people will not understand my attitude.

Do not wast time in self indulgent grief.

My mother self-euthanised-suicided, by refusing food and water so she could escape her miserable existence.